Joyce, Jeremiah

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SOCIETY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL INFORMATION Rev Joyce proposed member 20.4.1792 by John Lodge Batley 2nded Benjamin Cooper

Jeremiah Joyce (DNB 1763-1816). DNB article gives very little detail about his wife and children. He was apprenticed 1777 to John Willis, glazier of St Clement Danes (will PCC 1801). He married at Chevening, Kent 4.1.1796 Elizabeth Fagg of Bathwick, Somerset, whose sister Mary had married his older bother Joshua in 1784. They were daughters of Robert Harding Fagg, tallow chandkler, his will PCC 1784 tallow chandler of Bermondsey. Their children were Emma born 6.12.1796 Chevening, Charles born July 1798 (Dr Williams Registry), James born 8.3.1800 Hackney, Helen born St Pancras 24.1.1802, Hannah born St Pancras 6.8.1806 (at Gloucester Place), William born St Pancras 22.12.1813 (at Holly Terrace). For more on these children see work notes below

GODWIN DIARY has a person record on GD website but should have more entries linked to it (see my entry for Joice)

 

Work notes
Mary daughter of Robert Harding Fagg married Joshua Joyce on 25th December 1784. Robert Harding Fagg had died that summer and his will was proved 9th August 1784 by Joshua Joyce and two other executors. So Jeremiah would have probably known his sister-in-law and future wife Elizabeth Fagg for at least 11 years before they were married on 4th Jan 1796.

I found records of six children.

Emma born 6th Dec 1796 at Chevening, Kent (Dr Williams Registry, as are the birth records of all six children). She married James Randall at St Pancras 11th October 1817, the witnesses were George Skey (executor of her father's will) and Elizth Joyce (presumably her mother). They had a son John Montague Randall born about 1819 but I could find no birth or baptism record for him. James Randall may have been the person of that name buried at Bunhill Fields on 7th November 1824 aged 27 from North Street. There was a baptism of Emma Joyce daughter of Jeremiah, gent of Hampstead & Elizabeth on 26th December 1829. It gave no birth date and used her maiden name, but I think it was probably her (see her sister Helen below who clearly had an adult baptism). In the 1841 census she was listed as Emma Randall age 40, teacher, living at 2 Church Row, Hampstead with Elizabeth Joyce age 60, independent means, and Helen Joyce age 35, teacher of youth. Living in the same household were 12 male pupils aged 6 to 9, and four female servants. Her son John Montague Randall was ordained priest in the Church of England in 1843 after training at St Bee's theological college in Cumberland. He became vicar of Langham in Norfolk and in the 1851 census was listed there as unmarried aged 32 born St Pancras with his widowed mother age 53 born Chevening and Emma How, unmarried age 32, mistress of Langham National School, and one male and one female servant. Shortly after that census John Montague Randall married Eleanor Barlow but they seem to have separated after having one daughter Juliana Harriet Randall baptised 30th March 1853. In 1861 the married vicar was living at Langham without his wife and with his mother and his aunt Louisa Joyce, widow of Jeremiah Joyce's youngest son William, and with one female servant. In the 1871 census he was still at Langham with his mother and aunt Louisa and also with his aunt Helen Joyce (Jeremiah Joyce's second daughter). Emma Randall died on the 30th December 1874 and was buried at Langham on the 2nd January 1875. Her effects were sworn at under £800 and her executor was Robert Corry Cavell, a Norfolk vicar. In 1881 the Rev J R Randall was blind and living with his daughter Juliana aged 28, and with Maria Barratt, for many years the servant of his aunt Helen Joyce. He died in January 1895.

Charles was born July 1798 at Chevening. On the 16th October 1825 at Alexandria, Egypt, he married Caroline, third daughter of R Thurburn, partner in the firm of Messrs Briggs & Co of Alexandria & London. She was born in Constantinople about 1809. The Globe of 13th July 1826 announced the dissolution of a partnership between John Hodgson, Charles Joyce and M. Veichtner, Alexandria merchants. Charles and Caroline Joyce had at least 4 sons and 4 daughters. Of the first four children, three were born in Alexandria and one (in 1833) in London. The next two were born in Trieste in 1841 and 1845, and the last two in Worthing in 1847 and in Tonbridge in 1849. In the 1851 census Charles Joyce was described as a merchant living at 15 Gloucester Gardens, London with his wife and four children, a nephew Peter Lazarre born in Egypt about 1829, 4 female servants and a male Italian servant. In the 1861 census he was described as a merchant and banker living at Old Windsor (between the Royal Lodge Conservatory and Cumberland Lodge) with his wife, 3 children, a butler, a footman and 3 female servants. Charles Joyce died on the 17th February 1869 at Kings Cross Station after falling ill while travelling in a first-class carriage. At the time of his death he lived at 31 Lansdowne Crescent, London, and East Moulsey, Surrey and was formerly of Bishopsgate House, Englefield Green. His will was proved by his son-in-law Frederick George Westmorland and his effects were valued at under £14,000. His widow Caroline died in January 1904.

James was born at Hackney on 8th March 1800. When his mother Elizabeth Joyce made her will on 4th June 1845 all her other 5 children were mentioned by name so he was probably dead by then, but otherwise I could find nothing definite about him. When I next go to the National Archives at Kew I could look up the estate duty records for Jeremiah Joyce which may establish whether James was alive when his father died in 1816, and may also give the value of Jeremiah Joyce's estate.

Helen was born 24th January 1802 in St Pancras parish. She never married. She was baptised on the 3rd July 1824 at St Philip's, Liverpool, her birth date 24 Jan 1802, described as a governess of Rodney St. In the 1841 census she was described as a teacher of youth, living with her mother and her sister Emma at 2, Church Row, Hampstead (see Emma above). In the 1851 census she was living at High Street, Lowestoft, described as an annuitant with one female servant, Maria Barratt. In the 1861 census she was living at 3, Old Terrace, Lowestoft, again as an annuitant with the same servant. In 1871 she was at Langham Vicarage with her sister Emma (see above). In 1881 she was at 25 Old Nelson Street, Lowestoft, described as formerly schoolmistress, living with a different female servant (Maria Barratt was at Langham Vicarage) and a 7 year old visitor Gertrude A Barret. In 1891 she was at the same address with Maria Barratt again. She died 27th September 1896 at Lowestoft and her estate was valued at £2,835 19s 7d.

Hannah was born 6th August 1806 at Gloucester Place, St Pancras. According to the DNB article for William Shepherd (1768-1847) she became his adopted daughter and after the death of his wife Frances on 17th November 1829, the management of his household at Gateacre near Liverpool passed to her. He died on the 21st July 1847 leaving her £3500 in his will. On the 30th December 1847 at Tonbridge she married William Ridyard, of Allerton near Liverpool. I could'nt find them in the 1851 census. In 1855 her selection of the early letters of Rev. William Shepherd was published at Liverpool. In the 1861 census they were living at Allerton. He was described as a corn merchant age 66. They had 2 female servants and one male servant. He died 4th October 1867 at Ryton Crescent near Warwick, his estate valued at under £200. In the 1871 census she was described as an annuitant and lived at 20 Liverpool Rd, Chester with 2 female servants. In 1881 and in 1891 she was at 2 Bryntirion, off Chichester St, Chester with 2 female servants. She died the 21st January 1892 and her effects were valued at £15,742 13s 10d.

William was born on the 22nd December 1813 at Holly Terrace. The surgeon at his birth was James Gillman, biographer of Samuel Taylor Coleridge. In the 1841 census William Joyce was living at Frances Street, Lambeth, in the household of Margaret Gravell age 50 independent means, David Gravell age 30 engineer, Richard Gravell age 30 stereotyper, Elizabeth Gravell age 15, and William Gravell age 15 compositor's apprentice. William Joyce was age 25 engineer. On the 4th December 1841 at St Pancras he married Louisa Edgecombe spinster of Compton Street, daughter of James Edgecombe deceased. On the 8th March 1847 he proved the will of his mother Elizabeth Joyce of Hyde Vale, Greenwich. In the 1851 census William and Louisa were living at 3 Diamond Terrace, Hyde Vale, Greenwich, he was described as an engineer age 38 and she was age 38 born Salisbury, with one female servant. They don't appear to have had any children. The Morning Post of 24th November 1851 described a very luxurious steam yacht made for the Pasha of Egypt by William Joyce & Co of Greenwich Iron Works. In the Caledonian Mercury of the 14th December 1854 William Joyce engineer shipbuilder and ironfounder of Greenwich was listed as bankrupt. The Morning Chronicle of 13th November 1856 recorded the sudden death on 7th November at Diamond Terrace, Hyde Vale, Blackheath of William Joyce, Esq. in his 43rd year. His widow Louisa was with her sister-in-law Emma Randall in the 1861 and 1871 censuses, and in the 1881 and 1891 censuses she was living at 112 Torriano Avenue, Camden.

Mary Mills (not verified)

Thu, 18/05/2023 - 19:05

William was bankrupt but the foundry and shipyard were subsequently bought by his site foreman, Thomas Meacham.  

I am writing an article about him, his engine and his ships.  Clever